Sunday, April 14, 2013

Recent Doggerland Treasure

Recent Doggerland Treasure

Andre Willers
15 Apr2013
Synopsis :
Recent (1744 AD) ship laden with treasure came to grief in an old Doggerland river bed .
Discussion :
1.       I just cannot resist this . Just a bit of frivolity .
2.       See appendix A: loss of treasure in 1744 AD
3.       The treasure is still there .
4.       Losses of treasure in the same area for millennia before that . Pirates .See Appendix B
5.       See Appendix AA  . No gold was found at the eventual shipwreck site (100 km’s from the reported sinking)
6.       What is going on ?
7.       What most likely happened :
During a storm undersea mudbanks shifted . Ships used the old Doggerland riverbeds . The Victory ran aground on a mudslide .
Now it gets interesting . The local pirates (Alderney most certainly) offered help , took them off and deep-sixed them .
They then took the Victory away to it’s final resting place (Appendix B)
The gold was worth about $150 000 000 US in todays terms . Personal , identifiable items were stored underwater with the gold .
Then they squabbled . This was a bunch of small-time pirates that had hit the Big Time and didn’t know what to do with it  In   those days , families enforced justice .
 Agents of these families sat around like a cat on top of a mouse-hole for centuries .
If even a single item surfaced , they would exterminate the Alderney islanders .
Even today . Blood will tell .

  But Gold is more important .
Most of the gold belonged to criminal  syndicates . While they did not care a rat’s ass , they do care about $150 milllion in gold . Stalin would simply have sent all the Alderneys to the Gulag . Todyhis actually has happened to them repeatedly .

Regardless if anybody knows where it is , it is there . Close to shore . Most likely in an underwater cave .
Happy hunting !
Appendix A

Before Admiral Nelson's flagship was built, there was another ship christened the HMS Victory. This vessel had a different and more tragic history to its more famous successor. In 1744 Admiral Sir John Balchin, whose flag was flying on board the Victory, was returning from a voyage from Gibraltar.The vessel having reached the Channel on the 3rd of October, was overtaken by a quick and devastating storm. HMS Victory was a very steady and robust ship by the standards of the eighteenth century, and it was the largest ship in the world at the time of its construction at Portsmouth in 1737. HMS Victory represented a peak in ship construction for the British Royal Navy. On the 4th of October, the Victory was separated from the rest of the returning British fleet, and was never heard of again. The ship had on board close to 1,000 sailors, plus a complement of marines, and guests of high standing in British high society.
It is speculated that she struck upon a ridge of rocks off the Caskets and eventually sunk into the channel. This is pieced together from the testimony of the inhabitants of the island of Alderney, the weather was too dangerous to allow boats to go out to the assistance of the Victory. With the ship consigned to the depths of the sea so perished the finest ship of the British Navy. With the sinking of the Victory 100-110 bronze cannons and £400,000 in gold coins taken on in Lisbon were lost to the British treasury along with the personal effects and miscellaneous cargo of the ship.
Appendix AA
Has historically believed to have been wrecked on a reef near the Channel Islands. In an operation conducted in cooperation with the MOD, Odyssey has completed an archaeological pre-disturbance survey of the site, conducted limited test trenching, and recovered two bronze cannon to confirm the identity of the shipwreck. The cannon recovered include a 12-pounder featuring the royal arms of George II and a 4-ton, 42-pounder bearing the crest of George I. The huge 42-pounder recovered is the only known example of a gun of this type and size currently in existence on dry land. On September 18, 2009, Odyssey announced it reached an agreement with the UK Government on a salvage award for the cannon recovered from the site.

But no gold . And they really looked , using hitech equipment .

Appendix B
1.2 Note that the Thames and the Rhine combined and flowed down what became the English Channel until about 7 000 BC .
1.3 Then , Bad Things happened .
1.4Note how close the river flowed to Cap de la Hague and the Alderne Island after 8 000 BC .
1.5 Note the large canoes found (see appendix III) . A 30 foot canoe is a long-distance coast-hugger .
2.Appendix II is a general discussion , a bit speculative . But without a time-machine , it is the best available .
3.Appendix III takes a step backward to look at the antecedent populations .
3.1Why I bother with this post is that archeological remains are much more likely to be found on the Alderne Islands .
For more than a 1 000 years canoes going down the Thames-Rhine would have hugged the southern shore . 
Some remnants should still be on these islands , definitely more underwater .
3.2 See . It looks as if the Thames-Rhine at one stage flowed between Renonquet Isle and L'Equet Isle , judging by the channel depth .
3.3 Where archeologists should look :
The cargoes would have been valuable worked-flint tools from the quarries in Southern England . High points on Cap de la Hague and the various islands would have served as look-out points for pirates . Simple fire or smoke signals would do the rest . These points have been repeatedly been used over millennia for exactly the same purpose .


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